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    Off to get the tracking and alignment sorted before the long drive home









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    So now it was time to enjoy the car! Or so I thought...

    Headed up to Crail for the first car show of the year. 2 hours into the 3 hour journey and this happened.



    Long story short, I thought my alternator had died and this was as far as I got before the battery ran out of juice and killed the car. I managed to get recovered to the show where I managed to pick up another alternator and swapped it out. It didn't really solve the problem but after replacing a fuse for the dials which had died, the car seemed to perk up and behave again. So I managed to limp it home without blowing the fuse again which I had to up by 5A.



    After pulling the dash apart I found this behind the dials:



    I'd managed to burn through the positive feed to the dials which coincidentally, also feeds the alternator and charging system. So the break in this wire had simply disconnected my alternator from charging the car. At least now I have a spare alternator

    Some soldering later and the dials were tidied up a bit.



    The car was back to running sweet again and just in time. The following week was DRAGONBAAALLL! Time for prep:



    Set off and after about 40 miles:



    Broke down again!! So after getting recovered (again) back to the house, we switched cars and played the support car role in my trusty daily Seat Leon #team1stopstrategy

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    And that pretty much brings things up to date. The money I saved on Dragonball (a lot!) will go towards getting this new problem sorted which I'm pretty sure is related to loss of spark. I'll carry out some basic checks myself to see if I can trace it. I reckon it's either the dizzy itself, the igniter or unfortunately the ECU as everything else on the ignition system was brand new at the time of going NA-T.

    It's booked in to have some engine work done and a remap anyway so if I can't solve the issue in the next week or so, I'll have to get it sorted by the garage when it goes in
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    Dude whatever happened to the problem.

    I'm just being nosey and saw you had a s300 series turbo. S360.

    I don't know anything about the BW series turbos.

    Which set up would you advise from experience with your turbo so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noz View Post
    Dude whatever happened to the problem.

    I'm just being nosey and saw you had a s300 series turbo. S360.

    I don't know anything about the BW series turbos.

    Which set up would you advise from experience with your turbo so far.
    It ended up being the coil mate. 30 part in the end but I went and got the car remapped as well. Now I’ve got a cold start issue and a misfire that I’m chasing

    The S360 has been pretty good for me even at baby boost of 11/12psi. Spools quite quick on the log manifold and pulls strong, would’ve like to get a twin scroll though!

    BW turbos seem to be pretty robust and good value for money from my experience. Sound pretty awesome on full chat too

    Are you still NA-T? Planning a big power build?
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    Ah good you've sold one problrm shame about the cold start.

    Do you think it could be wiring?

    Part of my maintenance when it's back on the road will be renewing all the wiring and any aging component. I find a lot of crap earthing locations since I've begun reviewing my stock wiring.

    Yes mate I'm NAt. I'm R154 and have lowered compression so I'm hoping I can manage 600hp without too much hassle.

    Syvecs to be installed once the paint job is finished. And other jobs!

    I do miss though my first setup running w58 and just boosted. The 2jzge throttle body was a pleasure to drive. After market cable and throttle body make the car a bit clunky!

    The dream would be vvti. I've got a spare engine in bits. But I'd love to pickup a vvti engine and swap the head. Is your facelift running vvti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noz View Post
    Ah good you've sold one problrm shame about the cold start.

    Do you think it could be wiring?

    Part of my maintenance when it's back on the road will be renewing all the wiring and any aging component. I find a lot of crap earthing locations since I've begun reviewing my stock wiring.

    Yes mate I'm NAt. I'm R154 and have lowered compression so I'm hoping I can manage 600hp without too much hassle.

    Syvecs to be installed once the paint job is finished. And other jobs!

    I do miss though my first setup running w58 and just boosted. The 2jzge throttle body was a pleasure to drive. After market cable and throttle body make the car a bit clunky!

    The dream would be vvti. I've got a spare engine in bits. But I'd love to pickup a vvti engine and swap the head. Is your facelift running vvti?
    I’m beginning to think it could be mate. The wiring loom is getting a bit brittle in its old age and I’d love to be able to replace it. There’s a course online where they walk you through constructing your own race spec loom and I was tempted to look into that. Bit of an investment though so I’m going to think about it. It’s run by HP Academy in case it’s of any interest

    No vvti for me mate and still on the crappy distributor. My ideal setup would be vvti too to run a clean factory coil setup, cant say no to a bit of help spooling the turbo as well! I think I’d like to ditch the log manifold as well and go tubular. The sound off it isn’t great and I think the wastegate is a touch too small.
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    What wastegate do you have. Do you get boost creep? What indicates gates too small.

    Mine was on my old setup. It was 37mm. I've changed it to 60mm now and modified my eBay manifold to suit a larger aperture so it can flow. But it's an eBay gate and I've no idea if it will work okay!

    Tuner might bin it and charge me lol!

    I'm aiming to ditch the dizzy when I get the syvecs installed. It's an ignition failure waiting to happen. Definitely consider it.

    If you buy a loom. Keep me in touch. Maybe we can buy 2 and get a discount mate.

    I've seen the HP academy videos advertising. They do look good. I'm about to start an MSc end of the year, so I'm studying hard already researching otherwise they do look tempting.

    What manifold would you go with? I had my wastegate tubes cut off and relocated to sit inside the bay. So I can work on the gate without lifting the car. Most manifolds point the gate under side.

    Where is yours at the moment?

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    It’s a Turbosmart 42mm mate. Both mappers were able to get it under control but it was creeping a little. My understanding is that at low boost, the gates near wide open and still can’t divert enough gas to prevent the turbo overboosting. I’ve noticed Whifbitz have a version 2 of their kit now with a larger wastegate so it’ll be fine for anyone getting a kit now.

    lol it’s hit or miss with those eBay gates isn’t it. Manifolds don’t seem to cause any issues though, especially if you can do bits to them yourself to improve them!

    Will do mate. Would be good for peace of mind to have it replaced eventually but no idea what the going rate is on them. Might be cheaper to build them I’ll definitely consider coils though, spotted a company in the states that does a conversion kit so that’s another option

    I’d quite like a 6boost manifold I reckon. Saw one on hartys car last year on dragonball and I hear they do NA-T one’s too. Failing that there’s always SRD in the uk and then PHR as well. Wastegate is on the bottom of mine which is a pain like. Would’ve liked to have mine up top like you’ve done. So much easier to even change a spring!

    Cars currently at a garage locally to have a few checks. Failing that I’ll have to take it back to the mapper and see if he can check the map and see if the idle tables have skewed or something. Really not sure what’s going on with it haha.

    You got a project thread going up? Be good to see all the bits you’ve been up to!
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    I used to have a thread mate but I stopped updating it when the updates became too intense lol bloody five years it's taken.

    I should update the thread really.

    What kit did you see on the dizzy removal. I think whifbitz will put me on TT coils.

    I preferred a cheaper manifold because 1k is a lot on one. It's easy to repair but the internals never look quite as pretty. I've had mine ported to improve it. But it's worked for me so far.

    I'm surprised it's at low boost you've got the problem. I've always understood boost creep as the surface area being unable to flow enough volume. As the volume of gases requires increases from mid range upto top end. I struggle with higher end flow. Boost ended up going back into the engine.

    I wonder if it's a boost control issue you're having rating than a spike due to lack of volume flow. As surely a smaller port would struggle even more as the rpm increases and the amount of gas volume increases also.

    What ecu are you on?

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    Haha to be fair I’m the same. Get a bit drowned in changes to the car at times. Would be good to see all the little bits you’ve been up to with your custom work on your own car though!

    They’re called First State Motorsport mate, don’t seem to fly the flag on the kit a great deal but I spoke to them a while back and they do offer it. Along with a tasty FFIM that I might look at as well. Cleans things up so much better.

    It was at the top end I was over boosting mate. Just meant that 11psi was a low boost setup lol. If I go TT head gasket and crank the boost up, it may be better controlled? Not sure. But top end, the gate just couldn’t flow the excess gas and it was going through the turbo instead. I’m on an AEM EMS v2 with a solenoid controller.

    Is it maybe a restriction on the turbo housing as well you’ve got if it’s going back into the engine? ECU wants to give it more boost but the flow rate isn’t high enough and backing up pressure into the engine? Larger a/r maybe needed?
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    Are fair enough on the boost creep. Sounds typical for your diagnosis buddy.

    Yeah I will update it when it's pretty much done. I think I just got fed up of people saying I'm copying Ibrars wide kit. Even though mines OEM styled and full metal. Next few months maybe as it's finalised in paint.

    FSM parts looked amazing even from when I first started viewing NAt bits. Always liked their stuff.

    I nearly went ffim with an eBay setup. Glad I didn't. Intake manifolds are so harsh and aggressive usually. If you can get a nicely flowing one internally than its super awesome.

    I was lucky and imported a manifold with a cnc machined base. Like integrated little trumpets.

    Have you still got the buttyfly valve working on the NA intake? The one that splits the 6 cylinder part of the manifold just before the runners.

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    Nice one mate, looking forward to seeing the results!

    I think the best part about the FSM intake for me is that it's true front facing and not angled. I think I prefer it as a cleaner look and saves having to move the battery and potentially the fusebox. Sounds like you got a good find on the intake though, the velocity stack/trumpets are a must for me as it'll flow so much better and more evenly.

    Yeah I've still got the butterfly for now dude. I've just left the intake alone for now but have seen differing opinions about it on supraforums. Some guys leave it and some say get rid for what seems to be no reason. Did you ever run or remove yours when boosted?

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    Nice one mate, looking forward to seeing the results!

    I think the best part about the FSM intake for me is that it's true front facing and not angled. I think I prefer it as a cleaner look and saves having to move the battery and potentially the fusebox. Sounds like you got a good find on the intake though, the velocity stack/trumpets are a must for me as it'll flow so much better and more evenly.

    Yeah I've still got the butterfly for now dude. I've just left the intake alone for now but have seen differing opinions about it on supraforums. Some guys leave it and some say get rid for what seems to be no reason. Did you ever run or remove yours when boosted?
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    I left mine in mate. Didn't make an impact.

    Only issue with true front facing is it's mighty close to the pulley and you definitely will need a OCD steering res fitting. The TT one isn't angled enough. The throttle body will also be tiger tight to the pulley.

    But much easier to contend with than a fuse box relocation.

    I still had to relocate the battery into the boot. Angle or no angle bro you'll still need that intercooler piping to come from somewhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noz View Post
    I left mine in mate. Didn't make an impact.

    Only issue with true front facing is it's mighty close to the pulley and you definitely will need a OCD steering res fitting. The TT one isn't angled enough. The throttle body will also be tiger tight to the pulley.

    But much easier to contend with than a fuse box relocation.

    I still had to relocate the battery into the boot. Angle or no angle bro you'll still need that intercooler piping to come from somewhere!
    Think I'll just leave it be then, some guys running stupid levels of boost have had it break off and disappear into the engine but we're talking race spec stuff before that happens.

    Ahh gotcha mate, looks like a very tight squeeze for everything in there. Steering res relocation and little bits like that would make for a nice custom project maybe. Saves spending silly money for what some of these things are in reality.

    Battery relocation cleans the bay up a bit I suppose and there's a nice spot for it in the boot so not the end of the world I guess. I was kind of hoping to just run vertically down off the intake and then a 90deg under the battery and out to the wing that way. Similar way to how TT's must route theirs. Saying that, there's probably less room to go that way with the radiator/viscous fan to avoid and clear too!
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